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	In [[1527 AD\|1527]] [[Juan de Vergara\|Juan Vergara]] refers to the matter in a letter to Erasmus, recalling that "Cardinal Cisneros, the founder of the Complutensian university, . . . had the most wonderful esteem for you and was keen on enjoying your company" (Ep. 1814:459-61).		In [[1527 AD\|1527]] [[Juan de Vergara\|Juan Vergara]] refers to the matter in a letter to Erasmus, recalling that "Cardinal Cisneros, the founder of the Complutensian university, . . . had the most wonderful esteem for you and was keen on enjoying your company" (Ep. 1814:459-61).

	Steven Avery stated ~~thsat~~: "Joachim did not reject the heavenly witnesses. He was accused of Arianism because his (correct, majority) Latin text had two 'tres unum sunt'. Easier for the unity of consent/agreement interp e.g. Calvin as opposed to the interp of the unity of essence (ontological)." [https://purebibleforum.com/index.php?threads/peter-gurry-confusion-and-error-on-the-heavenly-witnesses.1702/]		Steven Avery stated that:

			:"Joachim did not reject the heavenly witnesses. He was accused of Arianism because his (correct, majority) Latin text had two 'tres unum sunt'. Easier for the unity of consent/agreement interp e.g. Calvin as opposed to the interp of the unity of essence (ontological)."

			:Joachim's text was the standard Latin combination of the heavenly and earthly witnesses, where both end with tres unum sunt. Aquinas embraced a textual corruption where the early witnesses did not have the phrase, in order to more easily allow a unity of essence interpretation.

			[https://purebibleforum.com/index.php?threads/peter-gurry-confusion-and-error-on-the-heavenly-witnesses.1702/]

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	In [[1527 AD\|1527]] [[Juan de Vergara\|Juan Vergara]] refers to the matter in a letter to Erasmus, recalling that "Cardinal Cisneros, the founder of the Complutensian university, . . . had the most wonderful esteem for you and was keen on enjoying your company" (Ep. 1814:459-61).		In [[1527 AD\|1527]] [[Juan de Vergara\|Juan Vergara]] refers to the matter in a letter to Erasmus, recalling that "Cardinal Cisneros, the founder of the Complutensian university, . . . had the most wonderful esteem for you and was keen on enjoying your company" (Ep. 1814:459-61).

			Steven Avery stated thsat: "Joachim did not reject the heavenly witnesses. He was accused of Arianism because his (correct, majority) Latin text had two 'tres unum sunt'. Easier for the unity of consent/agreement interp e.g. Calvin as opposed to the interp of the unity of essence (ontological)." [https://purebibleforum.com/index.php?threads/peter-gurry-confusion-and-error-on-the-heavenly-witnesses.1702/]

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 :7 ότι τρεις εισίν οι μαρτυρούντες '''<u>ἐν τῷ οὐρανῷ, ὁ πατὴρ καὶ ὁ λόγος καὶ τὸ ἅγιον πνεῦμα, καὶ οἱ τρεῖς εἰς τὸ ἕν εἰσι. 8 καὶ τρεῖς εἰσιν οι μαρτυρούντες ἐπὶ τῆς γῆς</u>''' το πνεύμα και το ύδωρ και το αίμα ('omits' καὶ οἱ τρεῖς εἰς τὸ ἕν εἰσι)
 :7 Quonium tres sunt oooo ooo qui testimonium dant '''<u>in celo: pater: verbum: et spiritus sanctus: & hi ooo oo tres unum sunt. 8 Et tres sunt qui oooo testimoniuʒ dant in terra:</u>''' Spiritus agua & sanguis.
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 :“Saint Thomas, in his exposition of the second Decretal concerning the Most High Trinity and the Catholic faith, treating of this passage, ‘There are three that bear witness in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit,’ in opposition to the Abbot Jochim, uses precisely the following language: — And to teach the unity of the three persons it is subjoined, And these three are one; which is said on account of their unity of essence. But Joachim, wishing perversely to refer this to a unity of affection and agreement, alleged the text that follows it. For it is immediately subjoined, And there are three that bear witness on earth, namely, the Spirit, the water, and the blood. And in some books it is added, And these three are one. But this is not contained in the true copies, but is said to have been added by the Arian heretics to prevent the text that precedes from being correctly understood as relating to the unity of essence of the three persons.’ — Thus the blessed Thomas, as above referred to.”<sup>[4]</sup>
 ==Joachim and the Fourth Council of the Lateran==
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 In [[1527 AD|1527]] [[Juan de Vergara|Juan Vergara]] refers to the matter in a letter to Erasmus, recalling that "Cardinal Cisneros, the founder of the Complutensian university, . . . had the most wonderful esteem for you and was keen on enjoying your company" (Ep. 1814:459-61).
 ==References==

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References

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	* 5. As explained by Thomas Joseph Lamy, [https://books.google.com/books?id=EAPOAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA478 ''American Ecclesiastical Review''], The Decision of the Holy Office, 1897, pp. 478–479.		* 5. As explained by Thomas Joseph Lamy, [https://books.google.com/books?id=EAPOAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA478 ''American Ecclesiastical Review''], The Decision of the Holy Office, 1897, pp. 478–479.
	* 6. [https://www.papalencyclicals.net/councils/ecum12-2.htm Fourth Lateran Council (1215)]		* 6. [https://www.papalencyclicals.net/councils/ecum12-2.htm Fourth Lateran Council (1215)]

			==See also==
			* [[Codex Complutensis I]]

	{{Article Index Johannine Comma}}		{{Article Index Johannine Comma}}
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Revered by Cisneros

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	:When, therefore, the Truth prays to the Father for those faithful to him, saying I wish that they may be one in us just as we are one, this word one means for the faithful a union of love in grace, and for the divine persons a unity of identity in nature, as the Truth says elsewhere, You must be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect {2} , as if he were to say more plainly, You must be perfect in the perfection of grace, just as your Father is perfect in the perfection that is his by nature, each in his own way. For between creator and creature there can be noted no similarity so great that a greater dissimilarity cannot be seen between them. If anyone therefore ventures to defend or approve the opinion or doctrine of the aforesaid Joachim on this matter, let him be refuted by all as a heretic. By this, however, we do not intend anything to the detriment of the monastery of Fiore, which Joachim founded, because there both the instruction is according to rule and the observance is healthy; especially since Joachim ordered all his writings to be handed over to us, to be approved or corrected according to the judgment of the apostolic see. He dictated a letter, which he signed with his own hand, in which he firmly confesses that he holds the faith held by the Roman church, which is by God’s plan the mother and mistress of all the faithful.<sup>[6]</sup>		:When, therefore, the Truth prays to the Father for those faithful to him, saying I wish that they may be one in us just as we are one, this word one means for the faithful a union of love in grace, and for the divine persons a unity of identity in nature, as the Truth says elsewhere, You must be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect {2} , as if he were to say more plainly, You must be perfect in the perfection of grace, just as your Father is perfect in the perfection that is his by nature, each in his own way. For between creator and creature there can be noted no similarity so great that a greater dissimilarity cannot be seen between them. If anyone therefore ventures to defend or approve the opinion or doctrine of the aforesaid Joachim on this matter, let him be refuted by all as a heretic. By this, however, we do not intend anything to the detriment of the monastery of Fiore, which Joachim founded, because there both the instruction is according to rule and the observance is healthy; especially since Joachim ordered all his writings to be handed over to us, to be approved or corrected according to the judgment of the apostolic see. He dictated a letter, which he signed with his own hand, in which he firmly confesses that he holds the faith held by the Roman church, which is by God’s plan the mother and mistress of all the faithful.<sup>[6]</sup>

	====Revered by Cisneros====		====Erasmus was Revered by Cisneros====
	[[Francisco Jiménez de Cisneros]], who funded the [[Complutensian Polyglot]] tried to recruit Erasmus to work on the project twice. In November [[1516 AD\|1516]] the abbot of Husillos wrote to Cisneros, praising Erasmus' [[Novum Instrumentum omne]], his first edition of the New Testament, which had just been printed by Froben press. The abbot praised Erasmus as a good theologian, knowledgeable in Greek and Hebrew, and an elegant Latin stylist. He suggested to [[Francisco Jiménez de Cisneros\|Cisneros]] that he employ Erasmus to work on the [[Complutensian Polyglot]] project:		[[Francisco Jiménez de Cisneros]], who funded the [[Complutensian Polyglot]] tried to recruit Erasmus to work on the project twice. In November [[1516 AD\|1516]] the abbot of Husillos wrote to Cisneros, praising Erasmus' [[Novum Instrumentum omne]], his first edition of the New Testament, which had just been printed by Froben press. The abbot praised Erasmus as a good theologian, knowledgeable in Greek and Hebrew, and an elegant Latin stylist. He suggested to [[Francisco Jiménez de Cisneros\|Cisneros]] that he employ Erasmus to work on the [[Complutensian Polyglot]] project:

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	:7 Quonium tres sunt oooo ooo qui testimonium dant '''<u>in celo: pater: verbum: et spiritus sanctus: & hi ooo oo tres unum sunt. 8 Et tres sunt qui oooo testimoniuʒ dant in terra:</u>''' Spiritus agua & sanguis.		:7 Quonium tres sunt oooo ooo qui testimonium dant '''<u>in celo: pater: verbum: et spiritus sanctus: & hi ooo oo tres unum sunt. 8 Et tres sunt qui oooo testimoniuʒ dant in terra:</u>''' Spiritus agua & sanguis.

	==The ~~use~~ of the Comma==		==The Use of the Comma==

	The [[Complutensian Polyglot]] contains the [[Johannine Comma]] along with a lengthy footnote. Travis says that the Complutensian Polyglot was the product of 42 Spanish scholars working with Greek manuscripts which they had from the Vatican library. Many of the Greek manuscripts cited by editors in the 16th and 17th centuries are no longer extant. The Complutensian Polyglot which was produced by several Catholic scholars in Complutum, Spain, was based on Greek manuscripts obtained from the Vatican library and elsewhere. They included [[1 John 5:7]] on the authority of “ancient codices” that were in their possession.		The [[Complutensian Polyglot]] contains the [[Johannine Comma]] along with a lengthy footnote. Travis says that the Complutensian Polyglot was the product of 42 Spanish scholars working with Greek manuscripts which they had from the Vatican library. Many of the Greek manuscripts cited by editors in the 16th and 17th centuries are no longer extant. The Complutensian Polyglot which was produced by several Catholic scholars in Complutum, Spain, was based on Greek manuscripts obtained from the Vatican library and elsewhere. They included [[1 John 5:7]] on the authority of “ancient codices” that were in their possession.

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	~~Latin~~:		Greek:
	* Quonium tres sunt oooo ooo qui testimonium dant '''<u>in celo: pater: verbum: et spiritus sanctus: & hi ooo oo tres unum sunt. 8 Et tres sunt qui oooo testimoniuʒ dant in terra:</u>''' Spiritus agua & sanguis.		:7 ότι τρεις εισίν οι μαρτυρούντες '''<u>ἐν τῷ οὐρανῷ, ὁ πατὴρ καὶ ὁ λόγος καὶ τὸ ἅγιον πνεῦμα, καὶ οἱ τρεῖς εἰς τὸ ἕν εἰσι. 8 καὶ τρεῖς εἰσιν οι μαρτυρούντες ἐπὶ τῆς γῆς</u>''' το πνεύμα και το ύδωρ και το αίμα ('omits' καὶ οἱ τρεῖς εἰς τὸ ἕν εἰσι)

			:7 Quonium tres sunt oooo ooo qui testimonium dant '''<u>in celo: pater: verbum: et spiritus sanctus: & hi ooo oo tres unum sunt. 8 Et tres sunt qui oooo testimoniuʒ dant in terra:</u>''' Spiritus agua & sanguis.

	==The use of the Comma==		==The use of the Comma==
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	The [[Complutensian Polyglot]] contains the [[Johannine Comma]] along with a lengthy footnote. Travis says that the Complutensian Polyglot was the product of 42 Spanish scholars working with Greek manuscripts which they had from the Vatican library. Many of the Greek manuscripts cited by editors in the 16th and 17th centuries are no longer extant. The Complutensian Polyglot which was produced by several Catholic scholars in Complutum, Spain, was based on Greek manuscripts obtained from the Vatican library and elsewhere. They included [[1 John 5:7]] on the authority of “ancient codices” that were in their possession.		The [[Complutensian Polyglot]] contains the [[Johannine Comma]] along with a lengthy footnote. Travis says that the Complutensian Polyglot was the product of 42 Spanish scholars working with Greek manuscripts which they had from the Vatican library. Many of the Greek manuscripts cited by editors in the 16th and 17th centuries are no longer extant. The Complutensian Polyglot which was produced by several Catholic scholars in Complutum, Spain, was based on Greek manuscripts obtained from the Vatican library and elsewhere. They included [[1 John 5:7]] on the authority of “ancient codices” that were in their possession.

	:~~“Erasmus~~, in his Notes on the place, owns that the Spanish Edition took it from a Vatican MS, and Father Amelote, in his Notes on his own Version of the Greek Testament, affirms, that he had seen this verse in the most ancient copy of the Vatican Library. The learned Author of the Enquiry into the Authority of the Complutensian Edition of the New Testament [Richard Smalbroke], in a letter to Dr. Bentley, from these and many other arguments, proves it to be little less than certain, that the controverted passage 1 Joh. v.7 was found in the ancient Vatican MS, so particularly recommended by Pope Leo to the Editors at Complutum.” (Leonard Twells, A Critical Examination of the Late New Text and Version of the New Testament, 1731, II, p. 128)		:“[[Erasmus]], in his Notes on the place, owns that the Spanish Edition took it from a Vatican MS, and Father Amelote, in his Notes on his own Version of the Greek Testament, affirms, that he had seen this verse in the most ancient copy of the Vatican Library. The learned Author of the Enquiry into the Authority of the Complutensian Edition of the New Testament [Richard Smalbroke], in a letter to Dr. Bentley, from these and many other arguments, proves it to be little less than certain, that the controverted passage 1 Joh. v.7 was found in the ancient Vatican MS, so particularly recommended by Pope Leo to the Editors at Complutum.” (Leonard Twells, A Critical Examination of the Late New Text and Version of the New Testament, 1731, II, p. 128)

	Some scholars say that the manuscripts which were used by the Complutensian Editors, under the direction of Cardinal Ximenes, it is said, were never returned to the library of the Vatican, but are either lost, or lie concealed in some of the libraries in Spain. The Complutensian had used Greek manuscripts from the Vatican and they included the Comma. Travis writes concerning the Complutensian:		Some scholars say that the manuscripts which were used by the Complutensian Editors, under the direction of Cardinal Ximenes, it is said, were never returned to the library of the Vatican, but are either lost, or lie concealed in some of the libraries in Spain. The Complutensian had used Greek manuscripts from the Vatican and they included the Comma. Travis writes concerning the Complutensian:

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	[[Image:~~Complutensian Polyglot Footnote~~ 1 ~~John~~ 5.7.~~jpg~~\|300px\|thumb\|right\|~~A footnote~~ in the [[Complutensian Polyglot]] ~~concerning~~ the [[~~Johannine Comma~~]].]]		[[Image:1 john 5 7 complutensian polyglot.JPG\|300px\|thumb\|right\|[[1 John 5:7]] in [[Greek]] in the [[1514 AD\|1514]] [[Complutensian Polyglot Bible]]]]
			[[Image:1 john 5 7 complutensian polyglot Latin.JPG\|300px\|thumb\|right\|[[1 John 5:7]] in [[Latin]] in the [[1514 AD\|1514]] [[Complutensian Polyglot Bible]]]]
	* [[1514 AD\|1514]] [[3754\|ὅτι]] [[5140\|τρεῖς]] [[1526\|εἰσιν]]/[[3588\|οἱ]] [[3140\|μαρτυροῦντες]] [[1722\|εν]]/[[3588\|τῷ]] [[3772\|οὐρανῷ]],/[[3588\|ὁ]] [[3962\|πατήρ]], [[2532\|καὶ]]/[[3588\|ὁ]] [[3056\|λόγος]], [[2532\|καὶ]]/[[3588\|τὸ]] [[40\|Ἅγιον]] [[4151\|Πνεῦμα]], [[2532\|καὶ]]/[[3588\|οἱ]] [[5140\|τρεῖς]] εῖς/[[3588\|τὸ]] [[1520\|ἕν]] [[1526\|εἰσι]]· {{Template: Complutensian Polyglot Footer}}		* [[1514 AD\|1514]] [[3754\|ὅτι]] [[5140\|τρεῖς]] [[1526\|εἰσιν]]/[[3588\|οἱ]] [[3140\|μαρτυροῦντες]] [[1722\|εν]]/[[3588\|τῷ]] [[3772\|οὐρανῷ]],/[[3588\|ὁ]] [[3962\|πατήρ]], [[2532\|καὶ]]/[[3588\|ὁ]] [[3056\|λόγος]], [[2532\|καὶ]]/[[3588\|τὸ]] [[40\|Ἅγιον]] [[4151\|Πνεῦμα]], [[2532\|καὶ]]/[[3588\|οἱ]] [[5140\|τρεῖς]] εῖς/[[3588\|τὸ]] [[1520\|ἕν]] [[1526\|εἰσι]]· {{Template: Complutensian Polyglot Footer}}

	==The ~~Insertion~~ of the Comma==		Latin:
			* Quonium tres sunt oooo ooo qui testimonium dant '''<u>in celo: pater: verbum: et spiritus sanctus: & hi ooo oo tres unum sunt. 8 Et tres sunt qui oooo testimoniuʒ dant in terra:</u>''' Spiritus agua & sanguis.

			==The use of the Comma==

	The [[Complutensian Polyglot]] contains the [[Johannine Comma]] along with a lengthy footnote. Travis says that the Complutensian Polyglot was the product of 42 Spanish scholars working with Greek manuscripts which they had from the Vatican library. Many of the Greek manuscripts cited by editors in the 16th and 17th centuries are no longer extant. The Complutensian Polyglot which was produced by several Catholic scholars in Complutum, Spain, was based on Greek manuscripts obtained from the Vatican library and elsewhere. They included [[1 John 5:7]] on the authority of “ancient codices” that were in their possession.		The [[Complutensian Polyglot]] contains the [[Johannine Comma]] along with a lengthy footnote. Travis says that the Complutensian Polyglot was the product of 42 Spanish scholars working with Greek manuscripts which they had from the Vatican library. Many of the Greek manuscripts cited by editors in the 16th and 17th centuries are no longer extant. The Complutensian Polyglot which was produced by several Catholic scholars in Complutum, Spain, was based on Greek manuscripts obtained from the Vatican library and elsewhere. They included [[1 John 5:7]] on the authority of “ancient codices” that were in their possession.
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	==Footnote on the heavenly witnesses==		==Footnote on the heavenly witnesses==
			[[Image:Complutensian Polyglot Footnote 1 John 5.7.jpg\|300px\|thumb\|right\|A footnote in the [[Complutensian Polyglot]] concerning the [[Johannine Comma]].]]
	Stunica, one of the Complutensian editors, published in 1520 Annotationes Iacobi Lopidis Stunicae contra Erasmum Roterodamum in defensionem tralationis Noui Testamenti, which included half of a page on the heavenly witnesses.		Stunica, one of the Complutensian editors, published in 1520 Annotationes Iacobi Lopidis Stunicae contra Erasmum Roterodamum in defensionem tralationis Noui Testamenti, which included half of a page on the heavenly witnesses.

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	::For, he says, Christ's faithful are not one in the sense of a single reality which is common to all. They are one only in this sense, that they form one church through the unity of the catholic faith, and finally one kingdom through a union of indissoluble charity. Thus we read in the canonical letter of John: For there are three that bear witness in heaven, the Father and the Word and the holy Spirit, and these three are one; and he immediately adds, And the three that bear witness on earth are the spirit, water and blood, and the three are one, according to some manuscripts.<sup>[5]</sup>		::For, he says, Christ's faithful are not one in the sense of a single reality which is common to all. They are one only in this sense, that they form one church through the unity of the catholic faith, and finally one kingdom through a union of indissoluble charity. Thus we read in the canonical letter of John: For there are three that bear witness in heaven, the Father and the Word and the holy Spirit, and these three are one; and he immediately adds, And the three that bear witness on earth are the spirit, water and blood, and the three are one, according to some manuscripts.<sup>[5]</sup>

	The Council thus printed the verse in both Latin and Greek, and this may have contributed to later scholarship references in Greek to the verse. The reference to "some manuscripts" showed an acknowledgment of textual issues. Most scholars who reject the ~~comma~~ will say that this is related to "and the three are one" in verse eight, not the heavenly witnesses in verse seven.<sup>[3]</sup> The manuscript issue for the final phrase in verse eight and the commentary by Thomas Aquinas were an influence upon the text and note of the [[Complutensian Polyglot]].		The Council thus printed the verse in both Latin and Greek, and this may have contributed to later scholarship references in Greek to the verse. The reference to "some manuscripts" showed an acknowledgment of textual issues. Most scholars who reject the Comma will say that this is related to "and the three are one" in verse eight, not the heavenly witnesses in verse seven.<sup>[3]</sup> The manuscript issue for the final phrase in verse eight and the commentary by Thomas Aquinas were an influence upon the text and note of the [[Complutensian Polyglot]].

	==The Second Decretal of the Fourth Lateran Council (1215)==		==The Second Decretal of the Fourth Lateran Council (1215)==

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	:When, therefore, the Truth prays to the Father for those faithful to him, saying I wish that they may be one in us just as we are one, this word one means for the faithful a union of love in grace, and for the divine persons a unity of identity in nature, as the Truth says elsewhere, You must be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect {2} , as if he were to say more plainly, You must be perfect in the perfection of grace, just as your Father is perfect in the perfection that is his by nature, each in his own way. For between creator and creature there can be noted no similarity so great that a greater dissimilarity cannot be seen between them. If anyone therefore ventures to defend or approve the opinion or doctrine of the aforesaid Joachim on this matter, let him be refuted by all as a heretic. By this, however, we do not intend anything to the detriment of the monastery of Fiore, which Joachim founded, because there both the instruction is according to rule and the observance is healthy; especially since Joachim ordered all his writings to be handed over to us, to be approved or corrected according to the judgment of the apostolic see. He dictated a letter, which he signed with his own hand, in which he firmly confesses that he holds the faith held by the Roman church, which is by God’s plan the mother and mistress of all the faithful.<sup>[6]</sup>		:When, therefore, the Truth prays to the Father for those faithful to him, saying I wish that they may be one in us just as we are one, this word one means for the faithful a union of love in grace, and for the divine persons a unity of identity in nature, as the Truth says elsewhere, You must be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect {2} , as if he were to say more plainly, You must be perfect in the perfection of grace, just as your Father is perfect in the perfection that is his by nature, each in his own way. For between creator and creature there can be noted no similarity so great that a greater dissimilarity cannot be seen between them. If anyone therefore ventures to defend or approve the opinion or doctrine of the aforesaid Joachim on this matter, let him be refuted by all as a heretic. By this, however, we do not intend anything to the detriment of the monastery of Fiore, which Joachim founded, because there both the instruction is according to rule and the observance is healthy; especially since Joachim ordered all his writings to be handed over to us, to be approved or corrected according to the judgment of the apostolic see. He dictated a letter, which he signed with his own hand, in which he firmly confesses that he holds the faith held by the Roman church, which is by God’s plan the mother and mistress of all the faithful.<sup>[6]</sup>

	[[~~Image:1 john 5 7 complutensian polyglot.JPG\|300px\|thumb\|right\|[[1 John 5:7~~]] in [[~~Greek~~]] in the [[~~1514~~ AD\|~~1514~~]] [[~~Complutensian Polyglot Bible~~]]]]		====Revered by Cisneros====
	~~[[Image:1 john 5 7 complutensian polyglot Latin~~.~~JPG\|300px\|thumb\|right\|[[1 John 5:7]]~~ in [[Latin~~]] in the~~ [[~~1514 AD~~\|~~1514~~]] [[Complutensian Polyglot ~~Bible~~]]]]		[[Francisco Jiménez de Cisneros]], who funded the [[Complutensian Polyglot]] tried to recruit Erasmus to work on the project twice. In November [[1516 AD\|1516]] the abbot of Husillos wrote to Cisneros, praising Erasmus' [[Novum Instrumentum omne]], his first edition of the New Testament, which had just been printed by Froben press. The abbot praised Erasmus as a good theologian, knowledgeable in Greek and Hebrew, and an elegant Latin stylist. He suggested to [[Francisco Jiménez de Cisneros\|Cisneros]] that he employ Erasmus to work on the [[Complutensian Polyglot]] project:
	~~Greek~~:
	:7 ότι τρεις εισίν οι μαρτυρούντες '''<u>ἐν τῷ οὐρανῷ, ὁ πατὴρ καὶ ὁ λόγος καὶ τὸ ἅγιον πνεῦμα, καὶ οἱ τρεῖς εἰς τὸ ἕν εἰσι. 8 καὶ τρεῖς εἰσιν οι μαρτυρούντες ἐπὶ τῆς γῆς</u>''' το πνεύμα και το ύδωρ και το αίμα ('omits' καὶ οἱ τρεῖς εἰς τὸ ἕν εἰσι)

	~~Latin~~:		:"Given that he has anticipated Your Reverence with his publication, I believe that he could be of assistance in making your work appear somewhat more polished ... I believe that Your Reverence should not deprive yourself of a person like Erasmus. You should avail yourself of his assistance in the correction of the whole publication and hire his services for a certain period" (Bataillon, Erasmo, 72, n. 1).
	:~~7 Quonium tres sunt oooo ooo qui testimonium dant '''<u>~~in ~~celo~~: ~~pater~~: ~~verbum~~: ~~et spiritus sanctus: & hi ooo oo tres unum sunt~~. ~~8 Et tres sunt qui oooo testimoniuʒ dant~~ in ~~terra~~:~~</u>''' Spiritus agua & sanguis~~.
			Erasmus declined the invitation [Epistolae, ed. Allen, 582:9), and was again approached in May [[1517 AD\|1517]] Erasmus briefly states the reason for a second refusal:

			:"The Cardinal of Toledo has invited me again, but I do not like Spain" (Ep. 598:47-8).

			In [[1527 AD\|1527]] [[Juan de Vergara\|Juan Vergara]] refers to the matter in a letter to Erasmus, recalling that "Cardinal Cisneros, the founder of the Complutensian university, . . . had the most wonderful esteem for you and was keen on enjoying your company" (Ep. 1814:459-61).

	==References==		==References==

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	::For, he says, Christ's faithful are not one in the sense of a single reality which is common to all. They are one only in this sense, that they form one church through the unity of the catholic faith, and finally one kingdom through a union of indissoluble charity. Thus we read in the canonical letter of John: For there are three that bear witness in heaven, the Father and the Word and the holy Spirit, and these three are one; and he immediately adds, And the three that bear witness on earth are the spirit, water and blood, and the three are one, according to some manuscripts.<sup>[5]</sup>		::For, he says, Christ's faithful are not one in the sense of a single reality which is common to all. They are one only in this sense, that they form one church through the unity of the catholic faith, and finally one kingdom through a union of indissoluble charity. Thus we read in the canonical letter of John: For there are three that bear witness in heaven, the Father and the Word and the holy Spirit, and these three are one; and he immediately adds, And the three that bear witness on earth are the spirit, water and blood, and the three are one, according to some manuscripts.<sup>[5]</sup>

	The Council thus printed the verse in both Latin and Greek, and this may have contributed to later scholarship references in Greek to the verse. The reference to "some manuscripts" showed an acknowledgment of textual issues~~, yet~~ this ~~likely~~ related to "and the three are one" in verse eight, not the heavenly witnesses in verse seven.<sup>[3]</sup> The manuscript issue for the final phrase in verse eight and the commentary by Thomas Aquinas were an influence upon the text and note of the [[Complutensian Polyglot]].		The Council thus printed the verse in both Latin and Greek, and this may have contributed to later scholarship references in Greek to the verse. The reference to "some manuscripts" showed an acknowledgment of textual issues. Most scholars who reject the comma will say that this is related to "and the three are one" in verse eight, not the heavenly witnesses in verse seven.<sup>[3]</sup> The manuscript issue for the final phrase in verse eight and the commentary by Thomas Aquinas were an influence upon the text and note of the [[Complutensian Polyglot]].

	==The Second Decretal of the Fourth Lateran Council (1215)==		==The Second Decretal of the Fourth Lateran Council (1215)==