John 11:19 - Revision history

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 :Literally, to those about Martha and Mary; a Greek idiom for Martha and Mary and their companions, or attendants. Compare οἱ περὶ Παῦλον, Paul and his companions (Acts 13:13). Somewhat analogous is our familiar idiom when we speak of going to visit a household: I am going to Smith's or Brown's, by which we include the head of the household with its members. Westcott and Hort and Tregelles, however, read πρὸς τὴν Μάρθαν κ. Μ., to Martha and Mary. So also the Revisers' text.
-===Etymology of Come====
+====Etymology of Come====
 :come(v.)
 :elementary intransitive verb of motion, Old English cuman "to move with the purpose of reaching, or so as to reach, some point; to arrive by movement or progression;" also "move into view, appear, become perceptible; come to oneself, recover; arrive; assemble" (class IV strong verb; past tense cuom, com, past participle cumen), from Proto-Germanic *kwem- (source also of Old Saxon cuman, Old Frisian kuma, Middle Dutch comen, Dutch komen, Old High German queman, German kommen, Old Norse koma, Gothic qiman), from PIE root *gwa- "to go, come."
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 :Meaning "to happen, occur" is from early 12c. (come to pass "happen, occur" is from 1520s). As an invitation to action, c. 1300; as a call or appeal to a person (often in expanded forms: "come, come," "come, now"), mid-14c.
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 :19 And many of the Jews came to Martha and Mary, to comfort them concerning their brother. (CT)
 :19 And many of the Jews came to Martha and Mary, to comfort them concerning their brother. (TR)
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			* 1516 καὶ πολλοὶ ἐκ τῶν Ἰουδαίων ἐληλύθεισαν, πρὸς τὰς περὶ Μάρθαν καὶ Μαρΐαν, ἵνα παραμυθήσωνται αὐτὰς περὶ τοῦ ἀδελφοῦ αὐτῶν.
			* 1550 καὶ πολλοὶ ἐκ τῶν Ἰουδαίων ἐληλύθεισαν πρὸς τὰς περὶ Μάρθαν καὶ Μαρίαν, ἵνα παραμυθήσωνται αὐτὰς περὶ τοῦ ἀδελφοῦ αὐτῶν.
			* 1598 Καὶ πολλοὶ ἐκ τῶν Ἰουδαίων ἐληλύθεισαν πρὸς τὰς περὶ Μάρθαν καὶ Μαρίαν, ἵνα παραμυθήσωνται αὐτὰς περὶ τοῦ ἀδελφοῦ αὐτῶν.


	;English Translations		;English Translations

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	* 1175 Manega þare iudea '''<u>comen to</u>''' martham & to marian. þæt hyo woldan hyo frefrian for heora broðer þingan.		* 1175 Manega þare iudea '''<u>comen to</u>''' martham & to marian. þæt hyo woldan hyo frefrian for heora broðer þingan.
	* 1382 And many of the Jewis '''<u>camen to</u>''' Mary and Martha, to coumforte hem of her brothir. (Wycliffe)		* 1382 And many of the Jewis '''<u>camen to</u>''' Mary and Martha, to coumforte hem of her brothir. (Wycliffe)
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	* 1611 And many of the Iewes '''<u>came to</u>''' Martha, and Mary, to comfort them concerning their brother. (King James Version)		* 1611 And many of the Iewes '''<u>came to</u>''' Martha, and Mary, to comfort them concerning their brother. (King James Version)
	* 1769 And many of the Jews '''<u>came to</u>''' Martha and Mary, to comfort them concerning their brother. (King James Version - Benjamin Blayney)		* 1769 And many of the Jews '''<u>came to</u>''' Martha and Mary, to comfort them concerning their brother. (King James Version - Benjamin Blayney)
			* 1994 and many of the Jews '''<u>came to</u>''' Martha and Mary to comfort them concerning their brother. (KJV21)
			* 2000 And many of the Jews '''<u>came to</u>''' Martha and Mary, to comfort them concerning their brother. (KJV 2000)
			* 2014 Many of the Jews '''<u>had come to</u>''' Martha and Mary, to comfort them concerning their brother. (MEV 2014)
	* 2023 And many of the Jews '''<u>came to</u>''' Martha and Mary, to comfort them concerning their brother. (KJV 2023 Edition)		* 2023 And many of the Jews '''<u>came to</u>''' Martha and Mary, to comfort them concerning their brother. (KJV 2023 Edition)

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	:11:19 txt τας περι P⁴⁵vid A C³ E 047 M syr<sup>h</sup> TR RP ‖ την P⁶⁶ P⁷⁵ ℵ B C* L W latt syr<sup>pal</sup> cop<sup>sa</sup> arm eth SBL TH NA28 {\} ‖ ''omit D'' ‖ ''lac'' N P 070 0233		:11:19 txt τας περι P⁴⁵vid A C³ E 047 M syr<sup>h</sup> TR RP ‖ την P⁶⁶ P⁷⁵ ℵ B C* L W latt syr<sup>pal</sup> cop<sup>sa</sup> arm eth SBL TH NA28 {\} ‖ ''omit D'' ‖ ''lac'' N P 070 0233

			A footnote in an online article said the issue was:
	:John 11:19 (“the Jews came to Martha and Mary” or “the Jews came to ‘the ones around’ Martha and Mary”);		:John 11:19 (“the Jews came to Martha and Mary” or “the Jews came to ‘the ones around’ Martha and Mary”);

			Mark Ward shows no translatable difference here on his KJV Parralel Bible website:
			:19 And many of the Jews came to Martha and Mary, to comfort them concerning their brother. (CT)
			:19 And many of the Jews came to Martha and Mary, to comfort them concerning their brother. (TR)

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	The footnote in the PDF of John from [David Robert Palmer https://bibletranslation.ws/trans/johnwgrktr.pdf] has:		The footnote in the PDF of John from [David Robert Palmer https://bibletranslation.ws/trans/johnwgrktr.pdf] has:
	11:19 txt τας περι P⁴⁵vid A C³ E 047 M syr<sup>h</sup> TR RP ‖ την P⁶⁶ P⁷⁵ ℵ B C* L W latt syr<sup>pal</sup> cop<sup>sa</sup> arm eth SBL TH NA28 {\} ‖ ''omit D'' ‖ ''lac'' N P 070 0233		:11:19 txt τας περι P⁴⁵vid A C³ E 047 M syr<sup>h</sup> TR RP ‖ την P⁶⁶ P⁷⁵ ℵ B C* L W latt syr<sup>pal</sup> cop<sup>sa</sup> arm eth SBL TH NA28 {\} ‖ ''omit D'' ‖ ''lac'' N P 070 0233

			:John 11:19 (“the Jews came to Martha and Mary” or “the Jews came to ‘the ones around’ Martha and Mary”);

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	* 1769 And many of the Jews '''<u>came to</u>''' Martha and Mary, to comfort them concerning their brother. (King James Version - Benjamin Blayney)		* 1769 And many of the Jews '''<u>came to</u>''' Martha and Mary, to comfort them concerning their brother. (King James Version - Benjamin Blayney)
	* 2023 And many of the Jews '''<u>came to</u>''' Martha and Mary, to comfort them concerning their brother. (KJV 2023 Edition)		* 2023 And many of the Jews '''<u>came to</u>''' Martha and Mary, to comfort them concerning their brother. (KJV 2023 Edition)

			Bible Researcher website has in their article [https://www.bible-researcher.com/received.html Variations within the Received Text Tradition]:
			:John 11:19. Read "came to those [women] around Martha and Mary" instead of "came to Martha and Mary." S B E G T W HF versus Vul, L Tr A WH NA, AV.

			The footnote in the PDF of John from [David Robert Palmer https://bibletranslation.ws/trans/johnwgrktr.pdf] has:
			11:19 txt τας περι P⁴⁵vid A C³ E 047 M syr<sup>h</sup> TR RP ‖ την P⁶⁶ P⁷⁵ ℵ B C* L W latt syr<sup>pal</sup> cop<sup>sa</sup> arm eth SBL TH NA28 {\} ‖ ''omit D'' ‖ ''lac'' N P 070 0233

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	* [[1599 AD\|1599]] ([[Geneva Bible]]) by [[William Whittingham]]		* [[1599 AD\|1599]] ([[Geneva Bible]]) by [[William Whittingham]]
			[[Image:John_11_19_KJV.JPG\|300px\|thumb\|right\|250px\|John 11:19 in the [[1611 AD\|1611]] [[King James Version]]]]
	* [[1611 AD\|1611]] And many of the Iewes came to Martha, and Mary, to comfort them concerning their brother. ([[King James Version]])		* [[1611 AD\|1611]] And many of the Iewes came to Martha, and Mary, to comfort them concerning their brother. ([[King James Version]])

Nick at 07:38, 1 October 2025

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			<center><< - [[John 11:18]] - [[John 11:20]] - >></center>

	* '''[[John 11:19 Greek NT: Beza's Textus Receptus (1598)\|ΚΑΤΑ ΙΩΑΝΝΗΝ 11:19]]''' [[2532\|Καὶ]] [[4183\|πολλοὶ]] [[1537\|ἐκ]] [[3588\|τῶν]] [[2453\|Ἰουδαίων]] [[2064\|ἐληλύθεισαν]] [[4314\|πρὸς]] [[3588\|τὰς]] [[4012\|περὶ]] [[3136\|Μάρθαν]] [[2532\|καὶ]] [[3137\|Μαρίαν]], [[2443\|ἵνα]] [[3888\|παραμυθήσωνται]] [[846\|αὐτὰς]] [[4012\|περὶ]] [[3588\|τοῦ]] [[80\|ἀδελφοῦ]] [[846\|αὐτῶν]].		* '''[[John 11:19 Greek NT: Beza's Textus Receptus (1598)\|ΚΑΤΑ ΙΩΑΝΝΗΝ 11:19]]''' [[2532\|Καὶ]] [[4183\|πολλοὶ]] [[1537\|ἐκ]] [[3588\|τῶν]] [[2453\|Ἰουδαίων]] [[2064\|ἐληλύθεισαν]] [[4314\|πρὸς]] [[3588\|τὰς]] [[4012\|περὶ]] [[3136\|Μάρθαν]] [[2532\|καὶ]] [[3137\|Μαρίαν]], [[2443\|ἵνα]] [[3888\|παραμυθήσωνται]] [[846\|αὐτὰς]] [[4012\|περὶ]] [[3588\|τοῦ]] [[80\|ἀδελφοῦ]] [[846\|αὐτῶν]].

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	* [[1527 AD\|1527]] (Erasmus Vulgate 1527)		* [[1527 AD\|1527]] (Erasmus Vulgate 1527)

			* [[1598 AD\|1598]] Multíque ex Iudaeis venerant ad Martham & Mariam ut consolarentur eas de fratre suo.

	====[[Pidgin]]====		====[[Pidgin]]====

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	* [[1599 AD\|1599]] ([[Geneva Bible]]) by [[William Whittingham]]		* [[1599 AD\|1599]] ([[Geneva Bible]]) by [[William Whittingham]]
			[[Image:John_11_19_KJV.JPG\|300px\|thumb\|right\|250px\|John 11:19 in the [[1611 AD\|1611]] [[King James Version]]]]
	* [[1611 AD\|1611]] And many of the Iewes came to Martha, and Mary, to comfort them concerning their brother. ([[King James Version]])		* [[1611 AD\|1611]] And many of the Iewes came to Martha, and Mary, to comfort them concerning their brother. ([[King James Version]])