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	* [http://www.lamblion.net/Articles/ScottJones/which_is_in_heaven1.htm Which is in Heaven] by [[Scott Jones]]		* [https://web.archive.org/web/20080420090329/http://www.lamblion.net/Articles/ScottJones/which_is_in_heaven1.htm Which is in Heaven] by [[Scott Jones]]

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	* '''[[John 3:13 Greek NT: Beza's Textus Receptus (1598)\| ΚΑΤΑ ΙΩΑΝΝΗΝ 3:13]]''' ~~And no man has ascended up to heaven but He who came down from heaven~~, ~~that is~~, ~~the Son of Man who is in heaven~~.		* '''[[John 3:13 Greek NT: Beza's Textus Receptus (1598)\| ΚΑΤΑ ΙΩΑΝΝΗΝ 3:13]]''' [[2532\|καὶ]] [[3762\|οὐδεὶς]] [[305\|ἀναβέβηκεν]] [[1519\|εἰς]] [[3588\|τὸν]] [[3772\|οὐρανόν]], [[1487\|εἰ]] [[3361\|μὴ]] [[3588\|ὁ]] [[1537\|ἐκ]] [[3588\|τοῦ]] [[3772\|οὐρανοῦ]] [[2597\|καταβάς]], [[3588\|ὁ]] [[5207\|υἱὸς]] [[3588\|τοῦ]] [[444\|ἀνθρώπου]] [[3588\|ὁ]] [[5607\|ὤν]] [[1722\|ἐν]] [[3588\|τῷ]] [[3772\|οὐρανῷ]].

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	* [[1894 AD\|1894]] ~~(? ????? ???T???)~~		* [[1894 AD\|1894]] [[2532\|καὶ]] [[3762\|οὐδεὶς]] [[305\|ἀναβέβηκεν]] [[1519\|εἰς]] [[3588\|τὸν]] [[3772\|οὐρανόν]], [[1487\|εἰ]] [[3361\|μὴ]] [[3588\|ὁ]] [[1537\|ἐκ]] [[3588\|τοῦ]] [[3772\|οὐρανοῦ]] [[2597\|καταβάς]], [[3588\|ὁ]] [[5207\|υἱὸς]] [[3588\|τοῦ]] [[444\|ἀνθρώπου]] [[3588\|ὁ]] [[5607\|ὤν]] [[1722\|ἐν]] [[3588\|τῷ]] [[3772\|οὐρανῷ]].

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	* '''John 3:13''' And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.		* '''John 3:13''' [[2532\|And]] [[3762\|no man hath]] [[305\|ascended]] [[1519\|up to]] [[3772\|heaven]], [[1508\|but]] [[2597\|he that came down]] [[1537\|from]] [[3772\|heaven]], ''even'' [[3588\|the]] [[5207\|Son]] [[444\|of man]] [[5607\|which is]] [[1722\|in]] [[3772\|heaven]].

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	* '''[[John 3:13 King James Version 2016\|John 3:13]]''' And no man has ascended up to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.		* '''[[John 3:13 King James Version 2016\|John 3:13]]''' [[2532\|And]] [[3762\|no man has]] [[305\|ascended]] [[1519\|up to]] [[3772\|heaven]] [[1508\|but]] [[2597\|He who came down]] [[1537\|from]] [[3772\|heaven]], ''that is'', [[3588\|the]] [[5207\|Son]] [[444\|of Man]] [[5607\|who is]] [[1722\|in]] [[3772\|heaven]].

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	===Bruce M. Metzger===		===Bruce M. Metzger===
			Bruce M. Metzger said in his A Textual Commentary On The Greek New Testament:
	:"...the majority of the Committee... regarded the words "ο ων εν τω ουρανω" ["which is in heaven"] as an interpretative gloss, reflecting later Christological development." <small>Bruce M. Metzger, A Textual Commentary On The Greek New Testament, 2nd Edition, United Bible Societies, p 175.</small>		:"...the majority of the Committee... regarded the words "ο ων εν τω ουρανω" ["which is in heaven"] as an interpretative gloss, reflecting later Christological development." <small>Bruce M. Metzger, A Textual Commentary On The Greek New Testament, 2nd Edition, United Bible Societies, p 175.</small>

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	===Bruce M. Metzger===		===Bruce M. Metzger===
	:"...the majority of the Committee... regarded the words "ο ων εν τω ουρανω" ["which is in heaven"] as an interpretative gloss, reflecting ~~LATER CHRISTOLOGICAL DEVELOPMENT~~." Bruce M. Metzger, A Textual Commentary On The Greek New Testament, 2nd Edition, United Bible Societies, p 175. ~~(emphasis added)~~		:"...the majority of the Committee... regarded the words "ο ων εν τω ουρανω" ["which is in heaven"] as an interpretative gloss, reflecting later Christological development." <small>Bruce M. Metzger, A Textual Commentary On The Greek New Testament, 2nd Edition, United Bible Societies, p 175.</small>

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	This quotation is older that any manuscript we have of John 3:13 today.		This quotation is older that any manuscript we have of John 3:13 today.

			===Theodoret===
			Theodoret said in 380 AD:
			"If any one says that the Son of God, living in the flesh when he was on the earth, '''<u>was not in heaven and with the Father, let him be anathema</u>'''…" <small>Ecclesiastical History 5.11</small>

	===Gregory of Nazianzus===		===Gregory of Nazianzus===
	In Letter 101 of Gregory of Nazianzus in 382/3 A.D., he has:		In Letter 101 of Gregory of Nazianzus in 382/3 A.D., he has:
	:“He is limited in the body, but unlimited in the Spirit; He is on the earth, '''<u>and at the same time in Heaven</u>'''.” 382/383 A.D.		:“He is limited in the body, but unlimited in the Spirit; He is on the earth, '''<u>and at the same time in Heaven</u>'''.” <small>Letter 101 382/383 A.D.</small>

	===Early Church Writers===		===Early Church Writers===

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	:“He is limited in the body, but unlimited in the Spirit; He is on the earth, '''<u>and at the same time in Heaven</u>'''.” 382/383 A.D.		:“He is limited in the body, but unlimited in the Spirit; He is on the earth, '''<u>and at the same time in Heaven</u>'''.” 382/383 A.D.

	==Early Church Writers===		===Early Church Writers===

	There are thirty-eight early church writers who recognize these words in this verse as found in the Textus Receptus. Some of the other fathers are as follows:		There are thirty-eight early church writers who recognize these words in this verse as found in the Textus Receptus. Some of the other fathers are as follows:
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	"For since we have PROVED that Origen and Didymus, Epiphanius and Cyril, Ambrose and Jerome, RECOGNIZE the words in dispute, of what possible Textual significancy can it be if presently (BECAUSE IT IS SUFFICIENT FOR THEIR PURPOSE) the same Fathers are observed [in other... See More places] to quote S. John iii. 13 no further than down to the words 'Son of man'? No person, (least of all a professed Critic), who adds to his learning a few grains of common sense and a little candour, can be misled by such a circumstance. Origen, Eusebius, Proclus, Ephraim Syrus, Jerome, Marius, when they are only insisting on the doctrinal significancy of the earlier words, naturally end their quotation at this place." Revision Revised, p 134		"For since we have PROVED that Origen and Didymus, Epiphanius and Cyril, Ambrose and Jerome, RECOGNIZE the words in dispute, of what possible Textual significancy can it be if presently (BECAUSE IT IS SUFFICIENT FOR THEIR PURPOSE) the same Fathers are observed [in other... See More places] to quote S. John iii. 13 no further than down to the words 'Son of man'? No person, (least of all a professed Critic), who adds to his learning a few grains of common sense and a little candour, can be misled by such a circumstance. Origen, Eusebius, Proclus, Ephraim Syrus, Jerome, Marius, when they are only insisting on the doctrinal significancy of the earlier words, naturally end their quotation at this place." Revision Revised, p 134

	"...the majority of the Committee... regarded the words "ο ων εν τω ουρανω" ["which is in heaven"] as an interpretative gloss, reflecting LATER CHRISTOLOGICAL DEVELOPMENT." Bruce M. Metzger, A Textual Commentary On The Greek New Testament, 2nd Edition, United Bible Societies, p 175. (emphasis added)		===Bruce M. Metzger===
			:"...the majority of the Committee... regarded the words "ο ων εν τω ουρανω" ["which is in heaven"] as an interpretative gloss, reflecting LATER CHRISTOLOGICAL DEVELOPMENT." Bruce M. Metzger, A Textual Commentary On The Greek New Testament, 2nd Edition, United Bible Societies, p 175. (emphasis added)
	It is interesting that Theodoret (GREEK Father) said in 380 AD concerning this very topic - "If any one says that the Son of God, living in the flesh when he was on the earth, was not in heaven and with the Father, LET HIM BE ANATHEMA…" Ecclesiastical History 5.11

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-There are thirty-eight fathers who recognize these words in this verse as found in the Textus Receptus. Some of the other fathers are as follows:
+At the same time Jesus was then on earth, in His divinity as the Son of God, He remained omnipresent in heaven. Just as we now are on earth, but seated in heavenly places in Christ Jesus. This reading states:
 Origen (250 AD), pseudo Dionysius (265 AD), Athanasius (370 AD), Didymus (390 AD), Basil the Great (380 AD), Epiphanius (400 AD), Eustathius of Antioch (325 AD), Cyril of Jerusalem (385 AD), Amphilochius (390 AD), Lucifer of Calaris (370 AD), Victorinus (300 AD), Jerome (420 AD), Zeno (350 AD), Maximus (400 AD) - See Burgon, Revision Revised, p 133 for full listing & citation references.

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	* '''[[John 3:13 ~~(TRV)~~\|John 3:13]]''' And no man has ascended up to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.		* '''[[John 3:13 King James Version 2016\|John 3:13]]''' And no man has ascended up to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.

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	==Interlinear==		==Interlinear==

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